Recently Seen: Good News leaders reflect on Council of Bishops and Schaefer trial

GoodNews_sqRob Renfroe and Tom Lambrecht of the Good News organization have released a new video on YouTube reviewing the recent Council of Bishops decision and the Frank Schaefer trial. Good News is an independent group of United Methodists who promote traditional Wesleyan orthodoxy and have worked for the retention of the current language in the United Methodist Book of Discipline on human sexuality.

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Jay
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Sorry, Wes Andrews, you cannot square the belief that all people are of sacred worth and then say that homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity. The latter statement is not only an assault on the sacred worth of gay people but it is also a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Because of the bullying in the BOD, I have come to be ashamed of the UMC.

Sandy Wylie
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Good News seems to value the Discipline more than the gospel. It wants to single out some of our precious children as unworthy and immoral because of a circumstance that is not of their choosing. This is a generational issue. Few under the age of 35 give a flip about their neighbors’ sexual orientation. This is an old folks’ issue. Increasingly the UMC is comprised of older adults who are out of touch with young people. By the time General Conference rolls around in another 2.5 years it’s likely that gay marriage will be law in half the states and… Read more »
Rev. Daniel
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Sandy, You are correct that those under 35 are often (not always) more permissive in sexual values, (at least in the US) but that does not have any bearing on the question of truth. For the record I’m under 35 and I believe what the Bible clearly reveals to be God’s will with regard to sexuality that calls all of us to a higher standard that what is “OK with my generation.” If we want to know what the Gospel actually is, we must turn to Scripture, not popular opinion. Also to call a church, group, or individual “homophobic” simply… Read more »
Wes Andrews
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Sandy, this is not about homophobia. No one is “afraid” of homosexuals. That word is a derogatory label which is used to distract people from an honest conversation about sexuality and marriage. Also, all the denominations that embrace ordination of gay and lesbian people and gay marriage are now declining at a faster rate. The UMC has been kind, affirming in every possible way. I know that not all people who find themselves in the gay experience desire to bully the UMC. The shamefulness is that the activist gay and lesbian community is really being a bully to a church… Read more »
Sandy Wylie
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Wes, your statement that “the UMC has been kind, affirming in every possible way” is ludicrous. The fact that you call LGBTs bullies shows how warped your view is. Those who are being wronged have every right to stick up for themselves. How long does Good News want to keep up the prejudice and injustice? How long does it want to single out many of our precious children as unworthy and immoral over a circumstance that is not of their choosing? Until the end of time? You tell me.

Wes Andrews
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Sandy, it is not ludicrous to say that the UMC has been honoring to LGBTs. The church has “officially” taught that all people have sacred worth. I have been in UMCs which have lovingly accepted and embraced people from varied backgrounds and “orientations.” Just because you say different doesn’t make it so. Just because some kids disrespect their parents doesn’t prove their parents were abusive or mean. Some kids don’t like their parents just because their parents didn’t give them what they wanted. The UMC has painstakingly and openly debated what it believes. Everyone has had a voice, and I… Read more »
John J. Shaffer
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Sandy is right. Anyone who has been the pastor of parents whose children have been hurt by the public position of the United Methodist Church would agree with her. Ludicrous is a good word for it. I have lost count of the number of persons who have said they will not have anything to do with the United Methodist Church as long as it treats their loved ones in this way. The number is higher than those who have left because of the push for full inclusion. But it is not about numbers. It is about being faithful to the… Read more »
Alison Wisneski
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Wes, I don’t know you, but I sure know that you haven’t “loved” me as you say you have. The gospel SURELY is about Jesus, you are correct. Show me, please, where Jesus speaks on homosexuality. I’ll wait patiently for you to find that. Also, my life isn’t a “gay experience.” If you think you don’t speak from white male privilege and a deep hole of homophobia, then I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. Jesus would rather take a walk for many miles in the shoes of the “lesser” in the view of the church, ie homosexuals, than that of one… Read more »
Wes Andrews
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Alison, both the Old and New Testament are our authority. This includes the words of Jesus, but is not limited to the words of Jesus. It is disingenuous to point to Jesus and assume that he would endorse homosexuality merely because he doesn’t address homosexuality directly. There are many topics Jesus doesn’t address directly that are addressed in Scripture, but that doesn’t justify ignoring the truth in those verses. It is also disingenuous to assume anyone’s race, age, height, gender or hair color should automatically disqualify that person’s commitment to or reading of Scripture. The definition of marriage in Scripture… Read more »
james
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The Holy Writ shares the Message that Father/Son/Holy Spirit is the “same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.” Those who lose the war are those who seek to make The Holy Writ a progressive gospel. The holy book of discipline, Sandy, is mostly ignored by those who have issue with The Holy Writ. You may have noticed that it is generally hierarchy in the umc who choose to ignore both the discipline and Scripture. Keep looking up–signs and wonders are happening every day……………………..

Wes Andrews
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It’s very interesting to learn that Mr. Schaefer had an easy out. He could have just said. I’m sorry it was just this one time for my son. But no, he had a very different agenda than family loyalty. He wanted to add to those who desire to send the UMC, which has been nothing but gracious, into chaos. His agenda is more important than the mission of the UMC which is debated!!!! and decided at General Conference. There is no honor or respect here.

Wes Andrews
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Very sober, grace filled observations…

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