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George Nixon Shuler

Point of Order, UMReporter: since the article was removed, should not the comments be as well, since some appear to be referring to some version of it and even quoting it? Those who seek to use progressives as a punching bag have continued to do so and the author is not available to refute the attacking comment nor is the reader afforded the context, other than another oportunity for the extremists to vent.

dave werner
Your point is well taken, George, though OTOH, the comments stand exposed in their negativity. i am sorry that more of us who found this commentary helpful did not write to support the author and thank him for sharing his thoughts. i found these paragraphs from Marcus Borg’s CONVICTIONS instructive. We’ve used our heads so much that we’ve gotten our hearts (and collective heart) into a pickle. Here’s the quote: From Marcus Borg, CONVICTIONS: HOW I LEARNED WHAT MATTERS MOST. Harper One, 2014. From Chap. 3: “God Is Real and Is a Mystery” “…being Christian is not about getting our… Read more »
George Nixon Shuler

Well said. One’s commitment to Christ is not conditional on political correctness.

Paul W.

It is a travesty that a young man as confused as Mr. Boroff was appointed to and served on the World Methodist Council and the Connectional Table. Very sad that he either doesn’t realize or doesn’t care that “doing what is right in your own eyes” is a bad thing (Judges 17:16, 21:25, Proverbs 14:12. 16:25, Jeremiah 17:9, etc).

I wonder what thought process the UMR editors went through when they selected this article. It’s almost like a joke commentary: “Discipline? We Don’t Need No Stinking Discipline!”.

Bruce Davis

I am unclear why a person would make an ordination vow that violates their personal conviction.

Roger B. Tanquist

I keep looking forward to changes in the Discipline that more clearly reflect the teachings of Jesus. Some challenge me to just leave my life-long denomination. I choose to continue to support a greater inclusion.

Wes Andrews

Most of these comments are dead on. Progressives speak gibberish to justify their choke hold on our beloved denomination. If they applied this kind of rationalization to marriage or to their work commitments, the unfaithfulness they rationalize would be so obvious. But they apply these rationalizations among a community of grace. They have gotten away with it for years and brought confusion, chaos and distraction. Ultimately, history will show that progressives will have destoyed most of the institutions that have given human community stability.

Erik Meade
This is a curious statement. “As long as their actions follow the three rules prescribed by John Wesley and Bishop Rueben P. Job—do no harm, do good, and stay in love with God 2—our clergy should have the freedom to develop scriptural interpretations and act accordingly.” It is curious because, first off, the third rule is not to “stay in love with God.” but rather “attending upon all the ordinances of God…” Which has an entirely different sort of implication than the touch feely “stay in love” language. It is also curious in this context that the rules would be… Read more »
Tony Nester
I don’t want to belong to a church that coerces its ministers to violate their conscience. Now that the call to “biblical obedience” is trumping our vows to uphold our Book of Discipline, there is only one good way forward: loosen the connection. What kind of connection is it that runs roughshod over our convictions? If we are not unified in our convictions (which we clearly are not) let’s not have a Discipline that pretends we are. It’s a false connection. It’s dishonest. It’s destructive. It’s time to move to a more congregational polity. Call it what you want: local… Read more »
Steve LaMotte
When I was ordained as an Elder three years ago I chose to enter a relationship with the United Methodist Church through a vow. I know the discipline and I chose to uphold its ideals in community. Living in community means that some of my personal desires and wishes are set aside for the same of community. The interpretation of scripture is not an individual effort- but is done in community as Methodist. If my personal convictions run contrary to the BOD, I have three options. 1. Set aside my convictions for the sake of community. 2. Work within community… Read more »
Beth Ann Cook
Well said @steve lamott. The discipline is not an unrighteous law that we are under. It is a voluntary covenant/yoke that we chose to take upon ourselves. Any of the three options you have listed have integrity. To violate those vows, especially while at the same time expecting to avoid consequences, lacks integrity. BTW–true civil disobedience against unjust law always includes being willing to pay the penalty (i.e.: MLK, Jr in Birmingham Jail). Those who wish to violate our discipline want to do so with no consequences. Left-leaning Bishops are devising loop-holes using the ‘just resolution” process to do that.… Read more »
The solution is so obvious that it is embarrassing to state it once more. This person is not forced by the government to belong to the United Methodist Church. we do not compel this person to remain in the United Methodist Church. he took vahle, he made promises and if he can no longer a bind by the decisions of the official body of the United Methodist Church then the Honorable action, one which seems to elude him is to leave and start his own voluntary organisation. being a member of the United Methodist Church is a voluntary decision. we… Read more »
Greg Buchner

I started reading this article in hopes that it was an attempt to articulate how some are struggling with their ordination vows but who are also still attempting to keep them with honor and respect for all those involved. Instead I read this a “once you’re an elder, if you can justify it, then you can say anything.” That’s a shame because it’s not true. We have a responsibility first and foremost to God and then to one another. Both are voluntary choices. Both choices come with responsibilities and consequences.

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